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Trained
dogs eliminate crippling losses. On
average, 1 of 7
turkeys
are wounded every year and not recovered. That's 160,000
turkeys nationwide
(mostly gobblers), that'd be recovered, if the hunter had the aid
of a trained dog. Of all the states, Nebraska,
Utah, Tennessee set
a good
example and allow turkey
hunters the use of their dog in the spring. In those States, dogs
prevent
lost cripples in both the fall AND in the spring - that's the way it
should be everywhere!
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"9% of the hunters
responding to the survey (WI-DNR
p.10) believed they
hit a
bird
they were unable to retrieve in spring. By comparison, 16% of the
hunters
reported they hit a bird they were
unable to retrieve in fall." This means on average, 1 out of
8
turkeys are wounded and not recovered! In just Wisconsin, for
example, this amounts to approximately 6100 turkeys shot and not
recovered in (2006 Spring harvest 46,662. Fall harvest 11,926 math). Virtually all of these would have
been recovered, if the hunter had the assistance of a dog. Do
we need any more reason
to hunt
turkey with a dog?! "We did a study on turkey hunting in Florida in the 1970's (Studies of the Wild Turkey in Florida - 1988 technical bulletin). In one part of the study, we radio-tagged 35 gobblers to measure hunter success and crippling losses on a public hunting area. 12 were shot and retrieved, 3 were shot and killed but not retrieved (found by radio signal), that equals 15 total killed. Therefore, 3 out of 15 equals 20% of the total kill was lost unretrieved. Or to put it another way, the unretrieved gobblers equalled 25% of the killed and retrieved total (3/12). Incidentally, 3 of the 35 turkeys disappeared during the open season. By "disappeared" I mean that we never heard from them again. Either the radio transmitters failed or hunters killed them. If the radios failed, some or all could have been shot and lost. To have 3 of 35 radios fail during a 5-week-long period would be a little higher than expected, and I suspect that one or more may have had the radio knocked out by being shot. It is confusing, but the one thing that can be said with certainty is that 20% of the total kill was lost unretrieved. I am sure that turkey dogs would have reduced or possibly even eliminated the crippling losses." Lovett Williams *
So in the Florida study, 35 turkeys were tagged, 18 were shot, 15 were
killed, 12 were shot and retrieved, 3 were
crippled/lost, and 3 'disappeared' (not counted). Whether it's 12.5% in
one study (1 out of 8 in WI) or
20% in another (1 out of 5 in FL), that's a lot of birds. For
estimating purposes, let's average it at 16%. Take any States known
harvest and multiply it times .16 to estimate the number of birds
killed, but not recovered, because the hunters lacked the aid of a dog.
With an annual nationwide harvest of about 1 million birds in 2006 X
.16 that equals roughly 160,000
birds, and the majority of them were gobblers. The time to
change the rules is past due, dogs should be able to accompany hunters.
Even untrained dogs kept on a leash until needed to retrieve a wounded
bird would save thousands of birds a year from being lost. Undoubtedly, the best companion a
turkey hunter can have is a well-trained dog. In most cases, an
untrained dog would be
more of a hindrance than a help. You wouldn't want a dog with you when
you're calling the bird in, unless it is trained to know its part. But
a dog trained to lie still
while the bird is called in would be invaluable, and save one out of
every 6 or 7 birds.*
Excerpted from The Wild Turkey and Its Hunting by Edward A. McIlhenny. Available from Real Turkeys. |
| Q1:
"It's not yet allowed in my State (AL, AR, AZ, CT, FL, IL, IN, MA, MN, MO, NM,
OK, RI,
SD, WA) to
hunt turkeys with dogs in the fall season.
But often when my dog and I are small game hunting for rabbit,
squirrel,
grouse, pheasant, or woodcock, she
flushes turkeys in the classic way that you describe. Even though I
have the turkey license, stamp and permit, and the right choke and load
for my
shotgun, it's not allowed, so what should I do?" A1: It sounds like you have the makings of the perfect turkey dog. But since it's not yet allowed in your State, we recommend you do two things: #1, contact your local sportsman clubs and those who administer the hunting rules and regulations, and ask them how you can work to get it changed. And #2, teach your dog that it's not allowed using the following training method: If you got a good scatter, build a blind from native materials. Make the dog sit in the blind with your friend so they can watch for squirrels while they wait at least 50 yards behind you. If the turkeys return, shoot one, and now you can show the dog what she should never do. Tell her, "bad dog, now look what you've done, you went and got that turkey killed." That one time should teach her, but if it doesn't, go out with your friend who has their turkey permit, and if your dog scatters more turkeys, you'll have the perfect opportunity for more training, but this time you hold the dog and he does the shooting. Repeat as necessary until eventually either your dog understands, or they correct the rules, and you'll be able to hunt without a problem. ...............................
Every DNR wildlife biologist
we
talk to has no problem with fall turkey hunters using dogs.
Hunters with valid turkey permits that enjoy hunting with their dog are most welcome to do so, it's fine with them. The illogical technicality is unenforced. So, until the rule gets changed in your state, enjoy squirrel hunting with your turkey dog. ...............................
As wildlife biologist Jim Evrard
wrote in the Wisconsin
Outdoor News
print edition March 10, 2006: "In my
opinion, there are people who
simply oppose the use of turkey hunting dogs because it represents
change. I heard the same opposition against extending turkey
hunting to
the afternoon and to most changes in turkey hunting regulations. Like
the crow and dove season, I believe fall turkey hunting with dogs will
be a non-issue, since few hunters will participate and no damage will
be done to the wildlife resource."
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| Q2: "I heard
that turkey hunters using dogs shoot at flushing turkeys in the fall
and wound
them. I don't know about shooting at flying turkeys, what do you think?" A2: It's no different than shooting flying geese or ducks, or woodcock taking off through the alders. You don't need a dog to shoot a flying turkey, anyone can shoot flushing turkeys now. It's an individual decision, and your training will tell you whether to shoot or not. Flushing turkeys are most vunerable when their wings are open, but you don't want a breast full of shot. How hard they are to kill depends on several factors. Turkeys will sometimes hold tight, and you can kill them when they flush with a headshot at close range with #6's and a modified choke. If they flush upwind their escape is slow, and offer a |
| Q3:
"I want to train my dog for turkey, but some people say using dogs to
hunt turkeys is an unfair advantage. Is that true?" A3: While we might actually consider them a handicap until properly trained, using dogs to hunt turkey is no different than hunting quail, duck, goose, partridge, dove, pheasant, grouse, or woodcock. Training your bird-dog guarantees to improve every day afield. And eventually a good bird dog will train you how to hunt turkey. In Missouri hunters train their mule to hunt turkey with. If they can run a mule through the woods chasing turkeys without getting themselves killed, good for them. The same goes for dogs. If you can train your dog to hunt turkey (and not deer, squirrel, or any of the other distractions) you've done good! Read the Llewellins for a better explanation. |
| Q4: "Some archer
friends say turkey dogs will ruin their deer hunting. Is that true?" A4: Turkey dogs don't chase deer. And hunters with a permit to bag one turkey with their dog isn't a concern for bowhunters. Right now hunters with dogs can harvest many grouse, pheasant or woodcock, but a turkey hunter can usually only harvest one bird. We want it as quiet in the woods as everyone else. Honest sportsman don't deny others the enjoyment of their sport. We're taught from young on, if someone else is hunting there, don't go near and ruin it for them. We've all been taught to respect and support other hunters, don’t interfere with other hunters experiences, and support everyone’s right to hunt. **************************
"There are already folks
who have reason to be in the woods with dogs at that time of year.
Archers have several weeks of hunting opportunity and the chances of an
individual archer being disturbed by this are minimal. Archers hunting
public land have the greatest chance for disturbance; but allowing
turkey dogs would not significantly affect their already greater
chances of hunt disturbance. Besides, activity in the woods may keep
deer moving. All of us would like to have the woods to ourselves, but
that does not give any group the right or reason to exclude another. I
think any issue raised by archers will be perceived as an eliteist
viewpoint. I like to bowhunt, though I would not classify myself as a
rabid archer. As a moderate archer, I cannot justify excluding turkey
hunters with dogs.I cannot tell you how many times I have eased up on rutting deer close enough to kill with an arrow while fall turkey hunting. Those animals were undisturbed by my presence as were any nearby archers. Sure, dogs cover alot more ground, but turkey dog trainers are going to be careful to discourage deer scenting and chasing, believe me." Bob
Eriksen, NWTF Regional Biologist 2/10/2006
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Deadeye
says: "A turkey dog is going to hunt with his master, just like a bird,
grouse, or squirrel dog does. There is no more or less disturbance to a
bow hunter if any of these hunters walked through the same woods they
were bow hunting in, with or without the dog." |
| Q5: "The turkeys around
here used to be real vocal, but since I heard dogs running in the
woods, it seems the turkeys are silent." A5: Turkey dogs hunt silently until they break the flock. Those stories originate from the South, where deer hunting with dogs is allowed. Deadeye: "I just remembered from a turkey workshop I attended a few years back (in VA) that the number one complaint from spring turkey hunters was running dogs. They could be deer hounds or wild dogs. Evidently people take for granted that a turkey dog is a running dog instead of a flushing dog. Thus all the misconceptions." |
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There's a few other misconceptions about turkey
hunting with dogs. Some people even picture dogs baying at lions or
bears. They have the game surrounded, until the
dogs move in for the kill. That's a ridiculous thought. A fairer
comparison would be the upland bird dog that dearly loves
the birds they pursue. Deadeye Barham explains it very well on Magnum's page, and
also on Zeke's
page. |
| Up
until the late 1980's, we thought dogs could only see in black and
white. Then studies
revealed that dogs do see in color, just a little less of the spectrum
than
humans do. Green, yellow, and orange all look alike to dogs. Blue-green
looks white. "Dogs see black, white, gray, yellow, and blue. So it's
not as colorful a world for them, but it is not color-less, either. The
word 'colorblind' is bad, it really should be 'color limited'." Dana
K. Vaughan, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Biology, U-W Oshkosh |
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